The Interview That Should End Every Conspiracy About Charlie Kirk’s Death

Nov 19, 2025

Everybody online has become an expert on gunshots, autopsies, and crime scenes. People with zero training, who were nowhere near that stage, have spent two months calling the men who tried to save Charlie Kirk “cowards,” “Mossad,” and “inside operators.”

I sat down and watched the full sit down with Charlie’s head of security, Brian Harpole, on Shawn Ryan’s podcast. If you can watch that and still call these men traitors, something is wrong with your soul.

You do not have to like TPUSA. You do not have to like me. But you cannot lie on people who were literally covered in Charlie’s blood while you were scrolling Twitter.

Let me walk through what actually came out in that interview, and why it matters.

Who This Man Actually Is

Brian Harpole is not the random mall cop some of these clowns on the internet make him out to be.

He spent 14 years as a police officer in Texas. He has a Master Peace Officer license. He graduated from Columbia College. He went through the International Law Enforcement School of Police Supervision and Southern Methodist University’s intelligence program.

In 2008 he moved into private security, worked as operations manager for an elite firm, then started his own executive protection company that handles clients on five continents.

And on September 10, he was on that stage, head of the contracted security detail for a high profile speaker who had been getting real threats for a long time.

You do not build that resume by being clueless. You do not end up running global executive protection if you do not know what you are doing. I did six and a half years in law enforcement, on SWAT. That is more training and experience than 90 percent of the people talking. This man has more than double that, plus executive protection global work. Respect the difference.

What Happened In Those First 15 Seconds

Here is how he described it to Shawn Ryan.

He was behind and to the right of Charlie, about ten meters away, watching the crowd coming up the stairs. He heard the gunfire, then he heard that second sound, the slap of the bullet hitting Charlie’s neck. If you have ever been around real gunfire and real victims, you know exactly what he is talking about. There is the crack of the shot, and then the awful thud when it hits flesh.

He turns, sees Charlie going down, and he does what he is trained to do.

He jumps on top of Charlie to cover him, because that stage is concealment, not cover. A table with cloth is not going to stop rounds. His team piles in, making a human shield, because they do not know if more shots are coming.

While he is on top of Charlie, face to face, he sees the wound in the neck, shoves his hand into it, and tries to get pressure on the artery. The blood is still coming out so strong it pushes through his fingers and he can literally taste it on his lips.

He says, “This is a bad wound.”

He reaches for his medical kit, packs the wound, does what he can do, then orders his guys to prep the car and get Charlie off the “X” so he is not lying in the open as a target. From the moment the shot went off to the moment they picked him up to move him, about 15 to 16 seconds went by.

That is not a group of guys standing around doing nothing. That is exactly what you would expect from a trained professional team under fire: protect, plug, move.

Some of you have never put your hands inside a gunshot wound in your life, but you are online explaining what “should” have happened. You think they were fluffing his shirt. They were trying to clamp a carotid artery. There is no tourniquet for the side of your neck. It is pack, pressure, and pray.

You can disagree with their setup. You can question the event planning. But the idea that these men casually watched him die is a lie from the pit of hell.

The Emotional Weight Of Watching Someone Die

When Brian talks on Shawn Ryan’s show about Charlie’s eyes going “doll like,” he chokes up. He has to pause. This is a grown man who has seen things, and he still can barely get through the sentence.

You know why? Because watching somebody die in front of you is not a YouTube clip. It stays with you.

I remember a fatal wreck I worked under the Grant 19 overpass. The man was crushed in his car, head hanging out, suffocated before they could pull him out. I checked his pulse. Nothing. Fire ripped the car open and laid his body on the ground.

Later I opened his wallet and saw the picture of his kids.

That wallet sat in my locker for a week because every time I looked at it, the weight of it almost paralyzed me. Somewhere those kids went to sleep thinking their dad was at work. He was in a bag on the side of the road.

That is what real death does to you.

All these internet heroes with no tears, no hesitation, no humanity, talking like it was a video game. They have no emotional response because they were not there. It is all content for them. Conspiracy threads, monetized videos, fake “documents.” They feel nothing for the security team, nothing for Erika, nothing for Charlie.

It is smoke and mirrors.

You cannot watch Brian’s face on Shawn Ryan’s podcast when he talks about Charlie’s last moments and tell me this is all a staged show. If you do, you have shut your conscience off.

The Crime Scene, The Pavers, And The Bullet

One of the loudest rumors was about UVU tearing up the grass and laying pavers where the shooting happened. “Trap door.” “Hidden tunnel.” “Covering up the evidence.”

Let’s be adults for a second.

From a crime scene standpoint, the scene is not the patch of grass. The critical evidence is the body, the clothing, the cameras, the shell casings, the trajectory, everything directly connected to the bullet and shooter. Once they process those items, the lawn itself is not the primary crime scene anymore.

Blood in grass is a biohazard. You cannot just hose it off. It soaks into the soil. You have to treat it with chemicals, which kills the grass. So it is not crazy at all for the university to cover that area with pavers after the fact so you do not have a giant dead brown patch where someone bled out.

Now, could they have handled it better on the public relations side? Probably. Brian himself says he has asked, “Why the urgency?” He wants the paperwork and the timeline, and he is telling people to file FOIA requests and force UVU to explain the decision. I agree with that. If you are a public institution, you should have to show when and why a job like that was approved.

But that is very different from “there was a trap door and an assassin hiding underneath the stage.” He flat out said there was no trap door, no tunnel system. Sometimes incompetence or tone deaf decisions are just that. They do not require a Tom Clancy plot.

Same with the bullet.

Brian explained what the doctor told them: the round entered the neck, tore up the cavity, hit the vertebrae, shattered bone, and fragmented all the way down near C6. That is what high velocity bullets do when they meet bone. They do not always pop out clean where you can hold them up for a photo. They turn into shrapnel.

Could law enforcement release more detail about the autopsy right now? They could, but I do not think they should. I have never seen a major case where the full autopsy ballistics are dumped out in the middle of an active investigation. Once you tell the public exactly how the bullet traveled and where it lodged, you start revealing angles, distances, and potential shooter locations before you are ready to arrest and prosecute.

People want instant answers. They want every detail twelve hours after a tragedy. A real investigation does not work like that. You wait for trial. You hear sworn testimony. You cross examine. That is how truth comes out in a system of law, not in Telegram chats.

The Mossad Lie

Then there is the foreign agent nonsense.

On Shawn Ryan’s show, Brian was asked point blank if he or his team had any ties to Mossad or any foreign intelligence agency. He said no. He said he has been to 39 countries and never even been to Israel. He said his men are Christians and Americans. He said they know each other’s wives and kids and live in each other’s business.

On top of that, many of his guys are on the road 250 days a year with Charlie. That is their full time job. That is their life. That is their income.

So let’s apply basic common sense.

You really believe these same men would take a contract to assassinate the client who is literally providing them millions of dollars of work in security over several years?

That is not “based.” That is not “awake.” That is stupid.

Is it fair to question the security layout? Yes.
Is it fair to investigate if there were failures? Yes.
Is it fair to claim the detail itself was a Mossad hit squad with no evidence at all? No. That is slander.

Brian said he will deny that “to my death.” I believe him.

Erika Kirk Is A Victim, Not A Suspect

One of the most disgusting accusations I have seen is people claiming that Charlie’s wife, Erika, was involved.

You really have to be spiritually broken to push that without a shred of proof.

Brian talked about his background doing death notifications as a cop. Telling parents their child is dead, or kids that their mom or dad is gone. He says he knows what real pain sounds like. He still wakes up screaming sometimes thinking about those moments.

Then he described what he heard from Erika when she walked into that room and saw her husband. He could barely get through the story. He said flat out she is a victim. That is her husband. The sound she made when she saw him is not something you ever want to hear.

And yet people sit behind screens, type with no tears in their eyes, and accuse her of plotting his death. No evidence. No investigative work. Just vibes and clicks.

Brian said it makes him lose faith in people that platforms allow that kind of garbage to spread. I agree.

If you will slander a grieving widow to feed your content addiction, you are part of the rot in this culture.

The Guy With The Camera

Another rumor was about the man who said on video, “They just shot Charlie,” while recording near the car. People said he was a security plant. People said he hid footage. People said he stole SD cards to cover something up.

Brian clarified that too. The man is not on the security team. He works for the contracted audio visual company. He is the camera operator and the same person who took down the cameras and secured the cards. According to Brian, that footage was turned over to the FBI.

Do I understand why people see that clip and go, “That looks weird?” Yes. People taking videos instead of running away in a crisis bothers me too. But that does not magically turn an AV tech into an assassin.

I know Terryl, one of the longtime video guys at TPUSA. He has been with Charlie for years. When Andrew said he pulled cards so nobody would steal them or leak a 4K snuff clip of Charlie dying, that made perfect sense to me. If you are responsible for hundreds of thousands of dollars of gear, and your friend has just been shot, the last thing you want is some random person walking off with the camera and blasting that footage all over the internet.

Look at the incentives.

Charlie’s life was their job. His events funded those contracts. Security, audio, video, all of it. There is no world where killing your own client, or hiding the evidence of his killing, helps you. It destroys you.

Stop Worshiping Conspiracies And Start Respecting Truth

Here is what I want my readers to hear.

It is okay to have questions. It is okay to distrust institutions. I get it. We have been lied to before. The government, the media, even big “conservative” platforms have played games.

But there is a difference between healthy skepticism and demonic slander.

When you invent trap doors, Mossad plots, and murderous widows with no evidence, you are not being brave. You are bearing false witness. You are attacking people who went through hell while you watched from your couch.

The security team did not handle everything perfectly. UVU may have made terrible decisions. The FBI may still need to answer for how this happened. Those are fair targets for pressure and investigation.

But the men who jumped on Charlie, plugged his wound, shielded his body, and carried him off that stage in seconds are not your enemy. His wife is not your enemy. The guy securing footage is not your enemy.

There is a spiritual war going on. The enemy loves confusion. He loves accusation. He loves to turn people who should be standing together into enemies based on gossip and partial information.

Truth is not afraid of investigation.
Truth is not afraid of trial.
Truth is not afraid of waiting for real evidence.

If we are going to call ourselves Christians, patriots, or people of integrity, we have to be willing to say three simple words when we do not know something:

“I don’t know.”

And until we do, we had better stop trampling on the people who were right there when Charlie took his last breath.